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Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy | Lex Fridman Podcast #178

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The following is a conversation with Michael Mallis and Yaron Brook, Michael's third time on this podcast and Yaron's second, but together for the first time. Michael is an anarchist, political thinker, host of a podcast called You're Welcome and author of Dear Reader, The New Right and two upcoming books Anarchist Handbook and The White Pill. Yaron is an objectivist philosopher, chairman of the Ayn Rand Institute, host of The Yaron Brook Show and coauthor of The Free Market Revolution and Equal is Unfair. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| As a side note, let me say that this conversation is a kind of experiment. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Among the three of us, I don't know who's the peanut butter, who's the bacon and who's the banana, I'm guessing it's probably me, I'm the banana, but I hope the final result, the final dish, if you will, is equally delicious. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Be patient with us. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Yes, he does, all the time. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| He only does this to me on the show. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| How well do you think we would get along if we were stuck on a desert island together? What would life be like? I thought the original question you had, that you sent us this question, was how long would it take for us to murder one another or something like that. There was murder in the question, if I remember. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| To answer your question, I think it would be very easy for us to live together in a desert island in terms of interpersonal. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| What's our goals on a desert island? Food, shelter. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Survival and getting out of there, right? You don't want to stay on the desert island. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| One of the things that really drives me crazy is how sinister an impact the book Lord of the Flies has had on our culture. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| We see in many situations where people are trapped together under difficult circumstances. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| We all have the same goal. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Tribes survived. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| We would die off. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| I'm going to edit out half the things Michael said through this broadcast. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| You know, you know exactly what I'm going to say. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Right. But she wanted to be clear that he said man. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| I took it as her perceiving him as seeing her as a full equal. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| Yeah, because Mises is old school. |||||||| HIDDEN IN PREVIEW MODE ||||||| So I think we go wrong when people try to understand the world around them and come up with wrong ideas. And it's natural that they would come up with wrong ideas because it's hard to figure out what's right.
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